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Sovay
Date: 2017-02-12 03:27
Subject: Will I learn from their afflictions? Have I learned from my mistakes?
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Music:ONSIND, "If Anyone Needs Me, I'll Be In the Angry Dome"

My poem "An Obedience Experiment" is now online at Rattle as this week's Poets Respond. There are notes included.

I am honored that the poem is being published in this fashion; I wish there had been no occasion to write it.

In 1961, Stanley Milgram found that 65% of his subjects complied all the way to the final supposed 450 volts. The percentages on a re-run in 2006 were nearly identical. Either we change the numbers or that 35% is going to burn out fast. I prefer Option A.

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nineweaving
User: nineweaving
Date: 2017-02-12 19:09 (UTC)
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Language as edged tool. I didn't know that "Milgram" meant pomegranate, or the seeds/mitzvot equivalence. So you've given me beauty with anger. Thank you.

Nine

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Sovay: Lord Peter Wimsey: passion
User: sovay
Date: 2017-02-13 01:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Lord Peter Wimsey: passion

Language as edged tool. I didn't know that "Milgram" meant pomegranate, or the seeds/mitzvot equivalence. So you've given me beauty with anger. Thank you.

You're very welcome.

There's a recurring interaction in Experimenter where people ask Milgram what kind of a last name that is; he always tells them first that it's Hebrew for pomegranate—"one of the seven fruits of the Bible"—and then that he's Jewish, which is what they're really asking. The word for pomegranate in Hebrew is rimon (רימון). I went looking after the film to see if that was an error on the screenwriter's part or Milgram's and found an interview with Almereyda which confirmed that Milgram always said Hebrew and no one knows why, because Hebrew-speakers, Yiddish-speakers would tell him he had it wrong. Maybe he was just seeing if people noticed.

Thank you.

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gwynnega
User: gwynnega
Date: 2017-02-12 21:24 (UTC)
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Congratulations on the publication at Rattle!

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Sovay: Lord Peter Wimsey: passion
User: sovay
Date: 2017-02-12 23:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Lord Peter Wimsey: passion

Congratulations on the publication at Rattle!

Thank you!

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heliopausa
User: heliopausa
Date: 2017-02-13 04:16 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Congratulations on the poem.

Re: the (horrifying and desolating) Milgram experiment this article offers some light:
"According to our analysis, the most powerful factor was whether or not the experimenter directed the teacher to administer the constantly rising shock levels. In conditions where the teacher was free to choose the shock levels, very few proceeded to the maximum voltage."

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Sovay: Sovay: David Owen
User: sovay
Date: 2017-02-13 07:52 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Sovay: David Owen

Congratulations on the poem.

Thank you.

"According to our analysis, the most powerful factor was whether or not the experimenter directed the teacher to administer the constantly rising shock levels. In conditions where the teacher was free to choose the shock levels, very few proceeded to the maximum voltage."

It is good to know what makes the differences. Now we just have to deal with the fact that the people at the top of our government are all in favor of 450 volts.

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